Comments on: The Logic of Religious Violence http://timgombis.com/2012/09/18/the-logic-of-religious-violence/ Tue, 18 Jun 2013 13:22:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: uspatriot55 http://timgombis.com/2012/09/18/the-logic-of-religious-violence/#comment-3686 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:56:27 +0000 http://timgombis.com/?p=3170#comment-3686 Tim, it’s worth mentioning that this is often the same logic of non-religious violence: “the stakes are so high!” I’m reading through William Cavanaugh’s The Myth of Religious Violence right now and that is a point he makes over and over. I’m not finished yet, but it’s a good read.

]]> By: Kevin http://timgombis.com/2012/09/18/the-logic-of-religious-violence/#comment-3671 Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:35:32 +0000 http://timgombis.com/?p=3170#comment-3671 It is always interesting to me when people point to Luke 22:36, but then fail to note Luke 22:38. Two swords amongst the twelve, yet that is enough. Should that not shape our understanding of verse 36?

]]> By: Patrick http://timgombis.com/2012/09/18/the-logic-of-religious-violence/#comment-3667 Sat, 22 Sep 2012 20:08:37 +0000 http://timgombis.com/?p=3170#comment-3667 It is not as easy to decide for me anyway. If someone wants to break my skull for general principles, I think God supports me breaking his first to prevent it.

My logic is Jesus did tell His 12 to arm themselves when He departed and Paul wrote Romans 13 indicating we of Christ are to support the use of force on criminals when need be .

Peter escaped jail, Paul escaped Aretas to avoid persecution, so it is not clear to me it is our role to always sit by and accept murder like Nero did it.

IF I am already in custody and faced with the choice of worshipping the US President or Christ, then I’ll decide to worship Christ and face the consequences(I hope).

]]> By: An Explanation | Soli Deo Gloria http://timgombis.com/2012/09/18/the-logic-of-religious-violence/#comment-3665 Sat, 22 Sep 2012 17:05:02 +0000 http://timgombis.com/?p=3170#comment-3665 [...] words above, along with Dr. Tim Gombis’ words in “The Logic of Religious Violence” are at the front of mind as I pursue these issues. Christians, however, must draw upon God’s [...]

]]> By: timgombis http://timgombis.com/2012/09/18/the-logic-of-religious-violence/#comment-3658 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:19:35 +0000 http://timgombis.com/?p=3170#comment-3658 Hope in the resurrection. We are told not to retaliate when persecuted for our identity as God’s people, and that we’ll be raised from the dead on the last day if we are faithful to Jesus. The wording and logic of that statement in Maccabees is crucial.

]]> By: timgombis http://timgombis.com/2012/09/18/the-logic-of-religious-violence/#comment-3657 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:17:42 +0000 http://timgombis.com/?p=3170#comment-3657 Great to hear from you, Travis!

]]> By: BradK http://timgombis.com/2012/09/18/the-logic-of-religious-violence/#comment-3656 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:13:08 +0000 http://timgombis.com/?p=3170#comment-3656 So which central convictions of our faith do you see the Maccabeans setting aside in their turn to violence, Tim?

]]> By: Travis Knipple http://timgombis.com/2012/09/18/the-logic-of-religious-violence/#comment-3655 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 05:18:30 +0000 http://timgombis.com/?p=3170#comment-3655 I always consider things this way.
The God I know says “vengence is mine”.
He’s big enough to take care of himself. For most of human history, there have been different people groups trying to wipe out the followers of Jehovah and Jesus Christ, yet the church endures.
My God is big enough to defend himself.
So, I should trust Him and turn the other cheek, acting in love towards everyone.
It is easy to love those who love you, but I tell you to love your enemies and pray for those that persecute you. :)

Glad I came across your blog. Not sure if you remember me, but I was at Cedarville and met with you and Jewish Mike a couple times in the Hive.

]]> By: Andrew T. http://timgombis.com/2012/09/18/the-logic-of-religious-violence/#comment-3654 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 22:22:01 +0000 http://timgombis.com/?p=3170#comment-3654 Also, if there’s one place its really evident the Greek word ‘ethnos/ethne’ should absolutely not have been translated ‘Gentiles’ (not sure why we capitalize that) it is here.

In Maccabees, Mattathias and his mates weren’t warring against ‘Gentiles’, but nations, some of whom were heathenized Israelites of the House of Israel (google leuco-syrians and compare to [1 Peter 1:1])

For example
Γαλατίας (G1054 Galatikos) =
Γαλα + τικός.

- τικός (tikos) is a well know Greek suffix meaning “characteristic of”
(antibiotic from antibioticos, meaning characteristic of destroying life .. etc)

Γαλα is the Hebrew גלה ( gala H1540 ).

So Γαλατίας is characteristic of being an exile; the Israel of God [Gal 6:16]

]]> By: Andrew T. http://timgombis.com/2012/09/18/the-logic-of-religious-violence/#comment-3653 Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:59:36 +0000 http://timgombis.com/?p=3170#comment-3653 Violence is a product of the human condition. That said, Jesus was hated (and killed) because he testified the world was evil. I can’t see why religeon should get the blame for violence as a product of fallen man. Besides, in all liklihood violence and strife with Christians at least, may just be a natural out-working of evangelism, knowing how the world responds to Christ, and His Gospel.

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